Catholic @ Heart asked:
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/drinking.html
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/drinking.html
For all the Christians that do not partake because of your religous practices. Are your scripture readings different from the link provided scripture?
Catherine
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its ok in moderation..
A little wine is good for the stomach
New Cov says not to get drunk on it… stay sober minded… doesnt say you cant taste it
It is good and good for you.
Not to drink in excess
It must say a fair bit, ’cause all they do is freakin whine…
the Bible never disallow’s one to drink, but does say that a drunkered will not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
i don’t think someone who has a glass of wine is a drunkered.
but they are closer to it then someone who didn’t have a glass of wine.
Do not give into strong drink.
I dont think that having a glass of wine with dinner is a problem. But you cant get to that 5th glass if you dont have the first.
So I would say its best to stay away from it.
WIne is in itself good.. too much of it & you’re in trouble…
Don’t get drunk on wine, which leads to wild living. Instead, be filled with the Spirit Eph. 5:28
One of the oldest recorded lessons in the Bible is Noah who proceeded to plant a vineyard after the flood and in the course of time made wine from the grapes that grew. The Bible is unblinking and unshrinking when it comes to showing the behavior some of the great heroes of faith. They are not perfect but they believed and obeyed God. Here we see one lapse in judgment on Noah’s part.
Genesis 9:20-26 20
Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard. 21 When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. 22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father’s nakedness and told his two brothers outside. 23 But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father’s nakedness. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father’s nakedness.
This recount of the affects of alcohol is quiet disturbing. To set the scene, Lot who was a righteous man fled Sodom because of the warnings from the Lord. They first stayed in a town called Zoar but fled there because they were afraid that Zoar would succumb to the same fate as Sodom.
Genesis 19:30-33
30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man around here to lie with us, as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let’s get our father to drink wine and then lie with him and preserve our family line through our father.”
33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and lay with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
The Book of Proverbs is replete with wise statements and what you must to gain wisdom and avoid folly. In this case there’s a few blurbs about over-indulging.
Proverbs 20:1
1 Wine is a mocker and beer a brawler; whoever is led astray by them is not wise
Proverbs 23:19-21
19 Listen, my son, and be wise, and keep your heart on the right path.
20 Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat,
21 for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags.
The author of Ecclesiastes was Solomon and unlike Proverbs, which he authored many of them by the way. This book is based on Solomon’s own experience in searching for happiness and peace.
Ecclesiastes 2:3
3 I tried cheering myself with wine, and embracing folly–my mind still guiding me with wisdom. I wanted to see what was worthwhile for men to do under heaven during the few days of their lives.
Ecclesiastes 10:17
17 Blessed are you, O land whose king is of noble birth and whose princes eat at a proper time– for strength and not for drunkenness.
The New Testament is not quiet on the subject matter as well and infact there’s quite a lot of scriptures detailing what is not acceptable behavior. .
Romans 13:13
3Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in ****** and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy.
1 Corinthians 5:11
11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
1 Corinthians 6:10
10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:16-21
16So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. 17For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God
Ephesians 5:18
Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.
1 Thessalonians 5:6-7
6So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be alert and self-controlled. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night.
1Timothy 3:2-3
2Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
1 Peter 4:3-4
3For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do–living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. 4They think it strange that you do not plunge with them into the same flood of dissipation, and they heap abuse on you.
Does this mean having a beer or a glass a wine is wrong or sinful, absolutely not. Even the Lord drank wine, consider the last supper
Luke 22:17
17After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. 18For I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
As you can our Lord is drinking wine, and has promised that he will do so again in the future. Some people have tried to justify no alcohol stance by saying that back in Jesus’ time wine was less potent then today. This of course is absurd. If they were drinking grape juice there would be no reason to advice believers in not getting drunk. His very first miracle was turning water into wine. Not water into grape juice.
Finally as a believer we need to consider others in our actions. lest our freedoms cause others to slip and fall. The Apostle Paul stated this very concern in Romans 14:21
Romans 14:21
21It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall
Most scholars generally agree that wine meant “fruit of the vine”, not fermented. There are only a very few instances where the Greek word meant today’s wine.
not to be a drunkard.
its a drink people drink…
There is a to confuse anyone concerning this topic. Basically, the Bible talks about Jesus turning water into wine at the wedding. But also talks about being drunk is a sin. Read the Bible and God will reveal to you what your answer is.
It says you can consume it, most other religions dont. (In History, there was a huge ruler who wanted to decide the religion of his people, he chose Christianity over all the others because of wine)
That Jesus turned water into it
Okay, first, the Bible often talks of wine in the sense of unfermented wine, like grape juice. There were times when people drank furmented wine like we have today and in those occassions, something wrong and sinful happened.
The Bible does not state that drinking alcohol is a sin, however, many people are convicted that it is a sin (like gambling) due to scripture that shows that nothing good came of the situation.
Jesus turning water into wine is a big one for those who fight FOR alcohol, however, we do not know that it was furmented or unfurmented, so we can not use that scripture to argue either way.
The world believes its OK to drink alocholic beverages
Jesus drank wine because it was needed. The water was not pure and was used to water the crops.
We filter are water and have plenty to drink.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
we are not to conform to the worlds practices. A child should not be given wine. Any one who has salvation in Jesus can partake the Lord’s supper even children 12-18. They should not be given wine.
Its not forbidden, but its ok not to drink if you’re not sure you can handle it.
wine back in bible time didn’t have alcohol in it. i don’t think god would want us to drink something that causes harm to our bodies. wine back then was plain grape juice.
The bible says “And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit.” Ephesians 5:18 (KJV)
to Blue Egyptian: I am sure there was alcohol in wine, otherwise why would he say be not dunk, wherein is excess…meaning if you drink to much you will become drunk. It is just better to not tempt yourself by drinking wine.
Scriptures teach us that wine was the drink of choice. Simple grape juice/wine was used due to a lack of good drinking water.
Scriptures also tell us that fermented wine and strong drink (alcoholic content) can be a detriment to our lives.
We have the freedom to drink it, and also the warning to not be drunk. All things in a balance.
Wisdom prevails.
It was commonplace, I think for people to drink wine and the Wedding at Canna showed how Jesus turned water into wine when the original wine had run out as one of the websites references says.
Excessive drinking was condemned in Scripture but not just drinking a normal amount.
It may be a hang over from the tea total (?) time when churches saw that men drank their wages and there was nothing left for their families to live on through the week.
NO WINE AT ALL.
The “wine” back then was grape juice.
However Paul told Timothy that drinking a little wine would help his stomach? Why would he say that if wine is bad for you?
Lets use logic and common sense.
Timothy obviously had an infirmity in his stomach that drinking a little wine would help bring out good results, rather than plain water. This is NOT giving license to drink wine!
Verses in the Bible say that our hearts shall be “glad as wine.” It is a simile to describe our joy in Christ. How can that be used as an excuse to drink wine. Wine is unacceptable.
…And of course they left out Proverbs 31:4 though.
“It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink.” —That testimony doesn’t only apply to princes and kings, but us too!!!
God bless.
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus; and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. And the angel said unto me wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the Woman.
Drinking is okay in moderation. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that it’s wrong for people under age 21 to consume alcohol. Chances are Jesus drank wine from the time He was a little kid. And note that John, the teenage apostle, drinks from the cup at the Last Supper. At Fatima, the angel Michael gives the Host to Lucia (the oldest visionary) and the chalice to Jacinta and Francisco (the two younger visionaries). A law which forbids kids to drink is degrading and a violation of their dignity as human beings. Many people under the age of 21 drink alcohol responsibly, while many people over 21 drink in excess.
Note that the late Pope John Paul II once scheduled a meeting with Rosa Parks (which, unfortunately, had to be cancelled due to time constraints) to congratulate her for breaking the law and taking a stand for human dignity. I wonder why so many people believe it’s wrong for kids to consume alcohol (in moderation). Unfortunately, they take their moral advice from corrupt politicians rather than from the Son of God.
Peace, and God bless!
The Marlboro Man
Blue Egyptian has it right.No one mentioned in Proverb’s where it says wine is a mocker,drinking of ANY alcohol is against the Bible,or else why would Christ have said no drunkard shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven? You can NEVER be a drunk if you NEVER partake of any alcohol,alcohol IS a DRUG!
I have about 200 verses that are in the bible on the subject of wine. our body is the temple of God and should treat as such. It is up to the person that is to partake in the wine drinking. I feel for me it is not wise to play with fire because i could and most likely will get burned. If you don’t drink it you don’t have to worry about getting drunk!! God Bless!!
It did not include a passage from Matthew.11:18-19 For John came neither eating nor drinking and they say he is possessed by a demon. The son of man came eating and drinking and they said, Look! he is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of sinners and tax collector but wisdom is vindicated by his* works
In the Bible NAB/NIV *it used the word “her”…????.
The Marriage at Cana……
John tells us that the wine failed, and that six stone jars were standing thereIs it the wine that has run out or is it something else? What has really run out is laborious Judaism of the Pharisees.
People have been drinking this ‘wine’ for centuries and it has served them well. But now with Jesus on the scene it is no longer enough.
The 6 stone jars are there for the Jewish rites of purification. They are an image of a certain view of God and religion where everything is rather hard work. They represent the idea that you’ve got to keep purifying yourself in order to be at rights with God. Water is essential, we can’t live without it, but it is rather bland and insipid. The religion of hard work and self improvement has its place, but it’s very pedestrian and can often lack joy. Jesus offers so much more. Into those six jars which contain something essential but rather unexciting Jesus puts….well what does wine represent? Joy, celebration, happiness, yes and maybe even a degree of intoxication. John is telling us that when we met Jesus and get to know him and allow him to work on our lives it’s as if our water changes to wine. Outwardly our lives may well stay the same, we remain in the same place, do the same job but inwardly everything changes. Adult converts often testify to the huge change Christ makes in their lives, of how they experience deep joy and peace and a sense of purpose and direction that they never knew before. Their lives change from water into wine.
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From what I understand, the word “wine” in the Hebrew language is the same for grape juice…so, translation had a part to play on that. Since there are so many verses that condemn drunkeness, I find it hard to believe that God would endorse something that taken in excess will have adverse effects in our body – his temple.
An in-depth analysis of “wine in the Bible” can be found in the website below, under the title The Bible and Alcohol: Moderation Or Abstinence?
At the heart of the Eucharistic celebration are the bread and wine that, by the words of Christ and the invocation of the Holy Spirit, become Christ’s Body and Blood. Faithful to the Lord’s command the Church continues to do, in his memory and until his glorious return, what he did on the eve of his Passion: “He took bread. . . .” “He took the cup filled with wine. . . .” The signs of bread and wine become, in a way surpassing understanding, the Body and Blood of Christ; they continue also to signify the goodness of creation. Thus in the Offertory we give thanks to the Creator for bread and wine, fruit of the “work of human hands,” but above all as “fruit of the earth” and “of the vine” – gifts of the Creator. The Church sees in the gesture of the king-priest Melchizedek, who “brought out bread and wine,” a prefiguring of her own offering.