Life asked:
Was it from the period prohibition of alcohol that happened in America in the early 1900’s?
Was it from the period prohibition of alcohol that happened in America in the early 1900’s?
I believe that the wine was wine.
Carl
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Call a spade a spade.
Apparently the translation is questionable. I only speak english so can’t tell you first hand. But thats the reason
I have often wondered how this ludicrous rumor got started as well or more importantly how people can believe it and still read the same Bible I do.
Probably some SDA in California in the 70’s when that Welch’s grape juice commercial gained popularity.
SDAs in California live incredibly long lives, and they refuse to drink wine to the extent that even sacramental wine is a no no.
Good question..
I believe the wine was wine also..
Jesus didn’t change water into grape juice in the Bible.
Many churches offer a choice beween wine and Welch’s….I used to choose the former
Because wine is made from grapes? And the only real thing that makes it wine is that it has fermented.
The drugs laws that most impacted us were passed in 1914.
I don’t think Jesus changed water to wine.
wine is wine, that’s what the bible says and thats what it it.
Good question, we just use water for our communion, its all symbolic, so technically it doesn’t matter what the beverage is.
It all started when more and more little kids came to church and then the parents complained that you shouldn’t be giving alcohol to little children! Idiots… lol
i remember our pastor (when i was still a christian) preaching once that it was less alcoholic.
what? like he was there before(during those times)?
Probably about the time Catholic Priests started molesting altar boys.
That is the Protestant way – decide what you want to believe, and then interpret the Bible in a way that appears to support your chosen beliefs. That’s how hundreds of denominations whose beliefs conflict with one another in virtually every point, can all claim that their beliefs are straight out of the Bible.
because wine tastes like crap. Jesus drank the bitter cup of the crucifixion so i could drink the sweet cup…of juicy juice.
Welch’s had to make money somehow.
lol
good point but even in face of evidence, religion is the stronger shield. shield against reality.
There is a verse to that says don’t be drunk with wine wherein is excess. Ephesians 5:18 Doesn’t make sense if you apply it to grape juice. Also in the wedding feast of Cana they said about the wine Jesus had made thatthey saved the good stuff till last. Again it doesn’t make much sense it they were talking grape juice. I don’t thik they had welch’s back then.
As has been said, it is a symbol. It doesn’t really matter what the actual beverage was; what the beverage represents is what’s important.
No, it’s because the original word used for “wine” in the Bible could mean either grape juice (”new wine), or the alcoholic drink(”old wine”). In light of what the Bible says about the evils of alcohol consumption, it’s not likely that Jesus was an imbiber, but drank grape juice at the wedding, and poured it for His disciples at the last supper, and said that He would not drink the fruit of the vine again until He drinks it again “new” with us in the Kingdom of Heaven. Here, He said He would drink “new wine” with us in Heaven – grape juice.
This was actually a much more interesting question than I thought it was…had to do a little research.
It was the Welch’s Grape juice Company!
1869 Dr. Thomas Bramwell Welch, a physician and dentist by profession, successfully pasteurizes Concord grape juice to produce an “unfermented sacramental wine” for fellow parishioners at his church in Vineland, N.J., where he is communion steward. His achievement marks the beginning of the processed fruit juice industry.
Welch was Methodist who were at the forefront of the temperance movement and prohibition.
And wine and grape juice is the same thing……one is fermented and one is not. Like a grape and a raison….one is dried and one is not.
But…..You are correct! Wow. Give yourself 10 points!
Wine is grape juice.
Does it matter? You can interpret anything you like from the bible.
Don’t forget it was written 2000 years ago by people who thought the world was flat and at the centre of the universe.
All grape squeezings are wine in potential. It is just a matter of time.
It is much like the refinements of oaths and curse language that is found to be expressed by fundamentalists in terms like “Gosh Dern or Gad Dang.” It is a matter of the well crafted fudge factor.
Not sure, but it had to have been some time *after* Thomas Welch *invented* grape juice in 1869. Apparently he initiated the practice of using grape juice instead of wine, but the biblical revisionism obviously didn’t start at that time.
N.B. Dr. Welch was Methodist. Fundamentalism wasn’t established until ca. 1910, perhaps enough time to forget that grape juice was a recent invention. Prohibition began in 1919.
Anyone who has ever made wine knows that if you put fruit juice in a container and walk away from it for a few weeks, it becomes wine. All by itself.
I remember hearing the “grape juice” story in the 1950s.
It’s a matter of extrapolation:
“Jesus was perfect; therefore, Jesus would never have gotten drunk; hence, Jesus wouldn’t drink wine; ergo, the ‘wine’ in the Bible was really just grape juice.”
Problem solved.
Helio “Hey, who drank all the Chardonnay?” Centrist
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